M37 radials - Charles what did you use?

[DAP]

It looks like all the 38 inch Michelin radial XZLs are gone and I don't want XLs. I seem to remember Charles M-Series really liked some Yamamoto tires or something that were roughly 37 inches in diameter and fit on the original 16 Budd rims. I had Stockton make up some tubeless 16 rims with Budd centers and would like to run radial tires at least 37 inches in diameter. I liked the uni direction treads on the XZLs unlike the XLs and seem to remember the Yammers Charles was using were good and did not load up with mud and were good on the highway. Enough time has gone by that I am guessing lots of people used them on their M37. How do they wear long term, how is the noise, do they clean out from mud quickly, what is the best size, where do you get them now? So many questions, looking for good answers to the current situation. I want to begin using the same tires on my 3/4 ton trailers as on the M37. thanks.

[chris olson]

I believe the tires were Yokohama's
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp ... M%2FT+Plus

[Tom @ Snake River]

After just getting done with potato harvest, I am a firm believer in the XL's. Of course I am running the M-800 series of 10 wheelers. We put about 46,000 GVW on these trucks and run them through at least a foot of mud. I have a 900 series truck with the newer tire tread and they would clog with mud. The XL's were unbelieveable what they would go through.
We did get stuck a couple of times, but if you only bottom out on the diffs and the axles, they were not that hard to pull out.

[MSeriesRebuild]

We are about to change over to GoodYears on our current pw project. Yokohama has stopped building the tire size that fit the original rims, so that is done. GoodYear offers 2 types in the correct size, a very aggressive tread design that is of course mostly for off road, however is highway compatible also. The other is more of a snow tread design, is recommended for mud, snow, on highway combination use. For our project we will likely go with the latter design. Either type looks great on M37 or Power Wagon.

Dan, if you are interested in some, if you will drive over Monday-Friday or on a Saturday morning, I'll hook you up with my supplier.

[DAP]

Are the tires you are using at least 36 inches in OD. I would really prefer something in the range of 36 - 38 inches in OD. I have some tubeless 16 inch rims made up with a Budd wheel Center welded in. Done by Stockton out in California. Not sure when I can get free to get up to your place this is a hectic time of the year so it is hard to get away even for a little bit. It has been way to long since I have been up your way. Any chance you have some pictures of the two types of Goodyears?

[MSeriesRebuild]

Are the tires you are using at least 36 inches in OD. I would really prefer something in the range of 36 - 38 inches in OD. I have some tubeless 16 inch rims made up with a Budd wheel Center welded in. Done by Stockton out in California. Not sure when I can get free to get up to your place this is a hectic time of the year so it is hard to get away even for a little bit. It has been way to long since I have been up your way. Any chance you have some pictures of the two types of Goodyears?

The ones we use on the stock rims are slightly under 36" tall. Are your custom tubeless rims the same dimensions as stock? If so that's about the limit, however if they are different, there may be other options I could suggest that will be taller.

[DAP]

The rims are slightly wider than stock. The Michelin 11.00 X 16 XZL fit perfect but they aren't available anymore and neither are the Michelin 9:00 X 16 XZL (at least not that I can find) and I really don't want to use the XL in those sizes. If I can get home in the daylight I will try to get a good look and see if they have the rim width printed on them somewhere to get you a more exact number.

[MSeriesRebuild]

The rims are slightly wider than stock. The Michelin 11.00 X 16 XZL fit perfect but they aren't available anymore and neither are the Michelin 9:00 X 16 XZL (at least not that I can find) and I really don't want to use the XL in those sizes. If I can get home in the daylight I will try to get a good look and see if they have the rim width printed on them somewhere to get you a more exact number.

Wider is good, that makes it easier to work with and more choices.

[DAP]

I managed to read numbers off the new rims. It looks like 16/8.0 so I assume that means the rim is 8.0 wide instead of 6.5 like the stock Budd. I don't want to put fat tires on since the rim offset is about 1/2 inch outboard from the original Budd offset and I don't want to stick out much past the fendrs and get "rooster tails" when driving in the rain dumping on cars behind me. They had to do that because Harley at Stockton said this is not a deep drop center rim in order for them to slightly cut down on the lathe the original Budd center and weld it in. does this information help at all?

[MSeriesRebuild]

8" is a standard width. I'll check my charts.

[DAP]

So is my memory wrong and 8.0 inch NOT 6.5 is the standard Budd rim width for the M37 16 inch Budd rim? Maybe I am confusing myself with Jeep tire sizes.

[cuz]

He said his new wheels with the old Budd centers are 8.0" and not the original 6.5" the Budds were originally.

[churtle]

So what size of tire that I can procure locally will fit the M37, I'm looking for new shoes for the old girl? and want to use the original rims.........tube or tubeless......THANKS

[Tanner]

So what size of tire that I can procure locally will fit the M37, I'm looking for new shoes for the old girl? and want to use the original rims.........tube or tubeless......THANKS

On stock M37 Budd rims, your choices currently are limited to the 900x16 NDT or similar w/ tubes/flaps, a set of the old Michelin XL's size 1100x16 with tubes/flaps, STA 900x16's with tubes/flaps, or maybe some Michelin ZXL's size 900x16 (good luck finding them) or 1100x16 (hard to find) along with tubes/flaps. Or you can search out the shops for a set of the Yokohama Geolandar MT Plus tires...

A 315/85R16 will supposedly put you pretty close in height to the NDT, but it requires a rim wider than the 6.5" Budd. Same story with a 315/75R16...

An older bias ply tire option is the Super Swamper Q78-16LT - still requires tubes & flaps

SL BIAS Q78-16LT

TREAD PLY: 6
SIDE PLY: 4
SKID DEPTH: 27/32
TREAD WIDTH: 9.5
O.D.: 35.5
C.S.: 10.8
REVS/MILE: 556
RIM: 16x6.5-8
MAX PSI: 40
MAX LOAD: 2580

Regardless of tire choice, You will have to run tubes with the Budd rims - radial tubes can be used in either radial or bias-ply tires.

'Tanner'

[churtle]

Tanner,

Thanks, So can I run the GOODYEAR Wrangler 37 x 12 16.5 on my Budd rims with tubes and flaps?