new rims and tires

[churtle]

Will,

I guess i will take the wheels to someone locally and see if the can drill new valve stem holes and weld up the old ones and see if they can bevel the holes ....and flip them over and mount em...and drive on......i want to thank everyone for their expertise and mentoring, without this great website and everyone's willingness to help each other, i would have probably quit along time ago...again thanks Chris

[SOTVEN]

i had sent an email to the manufacturer, and stated that i wasnt comfortable with the wheels, and this was his answer, trust me im no wheel genius?



Standard backside on the M37's is approx 6.75'. To clear the tires & suspension we moved the rim & tire out away from the body.This backside is compatible with outer M37's with the military tires. (i dont understand what he is trying to say here) can someone put this in layman terms, is it okay to flip the wheel and have another expert drill new valve stems?

I DO NOT REALLY COMPREHEND THEIR WORDING. BUT THEN AGAIN, IT MIGHT BE MY ENGLISH THAT DOES NOT HELP. FLIPPING THE WHEEL, I AM SURE THAT IT CAN BE DONE. PATCHING UP THE OLD STEM HOLE AND MAKING A NEW ONE CAN BE DONE. HOWEVER, AS CHARLES MENTIONED EARLIER, ONE SIDE OF THE LUG NUT HOLES MUST BE CHAMFERED ALREADY. THAT IS AS YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE SMALL HOLES ONE SIDE OF THEM MUST BE SOMEWHAT "SHARPENED" AROUND THE EDGE, SO THAT THE LUGNUT WILL FIND CENTER AS YOU TIGHTEN THEM. ON THE ORIGINAL BUD RIMS THERE IS CHAMFER ON BOTH SIDES, (I ASSUME THIS WAS SINCE THEY COULD BE USED IN DUALLY CONFIGURATION). SO IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE SIDE CHAMFERED, THIS IS THE ONLY SIDE TO GO TOWARDS THE LUGS. HOW ABOUT IF YOU REQUEST FROM THE ORIGINAL MODIFIER TO SEPERATE THE RIMS AND READJUST THE BACK SPACING? YOU THINK THEY MIGHT CARE ABOUT CUSTOMER SATISFACTION? IF NOT, COULD SOMEONE DO IT LOCALLY? I KNOW IT WILL COST ADDITIONAL MONEY, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. THE M37 IS QUITE HEAVY, AND PUTTING ADDITIONAL STRAIN TO ITS COMPONENETS I THINK IS NOT VERY SAFE. BY THE WAY, I WENT THROUGH YOUR PICTURES, I DO NOT THINK I SAW ANY WITH THE RIM MOUNTED BACKWARDS TO SEE HOW MUCH MORE OF THE BRAKE IT COVERS? ALSO KEEP IN MIND, DO NOT PERFORM ANY STEM HOLE WELDS WITH THE TIRE ON!!!!! D E A D L Y MISTAKE!!!!

[SOTVEN]

Will,

I guess i will take the wheels to someone locally and see if the can drill new valve stem holes and weld up the old ones and see if they can bevel the holes ....and flip them over and mount em...and drive on......i want to thank everyone for their expertise and mentoring, without this great website and everyone's willingness to help each other, i would have probably quit along time ago...again thanks Chris

"NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP!!!" (W. CHURCHILL) THIS IS WHY THIS FORUM EXISTS MY FRIEND. MOST OF US HAVE FACED TROUBLE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TRYING TO FIX OR MODIFY OUR RIGS AND WE ALL TRY TO HELP EACH OTHER TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE. MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM COULD AFFORD ANOTHER PICKUP TRUCK AS OPPOSED TO AN M37, YET EACH OF US FOR OUR OWN REASONS CHOSE THE M37. SO HELPING EACH OTHER IS A PLEASURE, NOT A CHORE.

[MSeriesRebuild]

Churtle, when you traded with this Co to build these rims for you, did you send them specifications explaining what you wanted? I'm only guessing, but sounds like you may have left the build specs mostly up to them. Seems like that sort of deal never comes out very well. We've found that even with all the specifics you can send a builder, sometimes things don't end up exactly right; but it is never a good idea to leave them with full control. This world is full of business people that tell you virtually anything they feel necessary to get the job. Later you find out that may not have been the most favorable deal going. Live and learn they always told me. Wish you the best getting it straightened out.

[churtle]

Charles,

Yes when i did business with this Co to build these rims I sent them specifications explaining what i wanted and yes i did, used info that i had garnered from this site, the gentleman Frank at Stockton wheels knew exactly what i needed, and of course they make aftermarket rims Just for the M37.

I'm only guessing, but sounds like you may have left the build specs mostly up to them. No, but it sure seems that way. screwed again $1500.00 wasted, unless i can recoup and repair these, they way they need to be.


We've found that even with all the specifics you can send a builder, sometimes things don't end up exactly right; but it is never a good idea to leave them with full control. This world is full of business people that tell you virtually anything they feel necessary to get the job. Later you find out that may not have been the most favorable deal going. Live and learn they always told me. Wish you the best getting it straightened out. You are 100% correct

here is their website.

http://www.stocktonwheel.com/military_wheels.php

[W_A_Watson_II]

when i did business with this Co to build these rims I sent them specifications explaining what i wanted

What was the requested backspacing you specified?

[DAP]

Good comments Charlie. I have interesting experiences with Stockton Wheel and ultimately success. They make an M37 rim with the flat steel plate but I like the looks of the Budd rim Center. Years ago I had some rusted rims that I decide the lock lip had to much corrosion to be safe. I drilled out the rivets and salvaged the centers. I sent the centers to stockton wheel saying I did not want to increase the offset and the rim had to clear both the stock drums brakes and the modified disc brakes. After talking with Frank he put me through to the back shop and I talked to "Harley" who I think really knows his stuff. He seems to know Power Wagons real well. He sent me one wheel "Tacked in place" to verify the offset. It was perfect. Just enough clearance to allow the pads to wear and things shift . Ultimately when I mounted 11.00 X 16 Michelins on them the tire only protruded 1/4 past the rear wheel well. They look original but are now tubeless. So I sent the sample back and they made me 5. It only took 10 months start to finish. BUT I got the work order number because Harley said that if I ever needed it again then to reference the work order to save the time and cost of shipping a sample back and forth. 2 years later I do another set of 5, reference the work order. No problems only takes them 5 months. This is great! 2 years later I do another set of 5 reference the work order. They arrive with the Budd rim welded in backwards so off set is a mess (unless I wanted to mount huge ballon sand tires). Call them up, get the run around, finally get to talk to Harley. He honestly says he has a new guy and did things from memory because somebody forgot to put the work order back in the book - - sigh. So he welds me one up and sends it as a sample. Yes Harley's work is same as original. Send it back. Get 5 good ones back and take advantage of their special powder coat deal, mount them on the axle, tighten lug nuts and powder coat chips off. Cal them up, Frank admits they switch to a new powder coater and have already switched back. He refunds me the cost of powder coat charge but now I take them to local sandblaster, blast them and have them PC properly in NC. So I am out an extra $125. Worse it is another 10+ months start to finish. Lessons - verify and get things in writing then don't be in a hurry. My last experience left a bad taste in my mouth about Stockton but Frank said this was all he was authorized to do. I refused to ship the incorrectly welded wheels back to him so he mailed me UPS tags to send them back. I complained that for all the aggrivation they should give me the incorrectly weld ones and so I can sell them to a dune buggy guy but answer was no. If I ever do need to do another set of rims I might be looking for someone other than Stockton, but so far they are the only ones to give me what I want with the quality of welds I want. - sigh.

[W_A_Watson_II]

I'd talked to the guys at Stockton several times while planning my M37's Wheels. Never got the same answer twice, and ended up going with MRW who build well-know off-road wheels and stock car wheels. I sent them a detailed drawing and they built a great set of bead-lock wheels, with only one problem. They never asked me how much the M weighed, and I didn't know the number of bead-lock bolts were related to vehicle weight. Si I ended up with fewer bolts than I need, but it's only been a problem with on-road highway speeds.

[ZGjethro]

Are the rims on the stockton site http://www.stocktonwheel.com/military_wheels.htm not matches for the factory rims, but tubeless? I was wondering about the "Series 24- power wagon special" rims from that site

[DAP]

No

[churtle]

Gents, here is the info that i sent Stockton wheels. maybe it wasn't enough info.


I'm looking for some one to build custom rims for our DODGE M37 3/4 Ton Truck (Military Truck) Below is the current rim info on the vehicle now. They are Budd Rims. here is the info that may help in deciding if you can make the rims for me. Would need 5 Rims.

Wheel Size Stud Holes and Bolt Circle Dish Tires Rim Type Wheel with Ring Part No.
16x6.50H 5 at 6 7/8" 4" 8.25, 9.00 LTS 61460-D1



Special_Comments=Wheel Size 16x6.50H,Stud Holes Bolt Circle 5@67/8",Dish 4"
These are my tire choices and would prefer to run tubeless.
Goodyear Hummer 36" x 12.50 x 16.5 bias ply
Goodyear Wrangler radials 37x12.50x16.5 - Hummer Tires
Michelin XL 9.00R16 (36")
This for a 1952 DODGE M37,would like to order 5ea of these rims/wheels. what is the turn around time. thx Chris Hurtle

[MSeriesRebuild]

Gents, here is the info that i sent Stockton wheels. maybe it wasn't enough info.


I'm looking for some one to build custom rims for our DODGE M37 3/4 Ton Truck (Military Truck) Below is the current rim info on the vehicle now. They are Budd Rims. here is the info that may help in deciding if you can make the rims for me. Would need 5 Rims.

Wheel Size Stud Holes and Bolt Circle Dish Tires Rim Type Wheel with Ring Part No.
16x6.50H 5 at 6 7/8" 4" 8.25, 9.00 LTS 61460-D1



Special_Comments=Wheel Size 16x6.50H,Stud Holes Bolt Circle 5@67/8",Dish 4"
These are my tire choices and would prefer to run tubeless.
Goodyear Hummer 36" x 12.50 x 16.5 bias ply
Goodyear Wrangler radials 37x12.50x16.5 - Hummer Tires
Michelin XL 9.00R16 (36")
This for a 1952 DODGE M37,would like to order 5ea of these rims/wheels. what is the turn around time. thx Chris Hurtle

Chris, you have my curiousity up; why would you specify a 16" rim with 2 of your tire choices being 16.5" tires?

[ZGjethro]

No

How about more info. If I told them I wanted a tubeless version of a Budds style rim, would they not be able to make it? All I am talking about is matching the factory rim/offsets with a more modern style rim.

[Tanner]

No

How about more info. If I told them I wanted a tubeless version of a Budds style rim, would they not be able to make it? All I am talking about is matching the factory rim/offsets with a more modern style rim.

Stockton would most likely need a Budd rim in hand to accurately (using this term loosely) replicate it in a modern tubeless rim...

Just spoke with Frank last week to get current pricing on Power Wagon rims... this info from Churtle has me rethinking my path to getting tubeless M37 rims.

Stockton has been around since the days of the horse-drawn wagon - somewhere in America, there was probably a farmer with a set of Stockton wagon wheels with improper offset...

I can look into the MRW wheels, but they don't recommend their wheels for road/highway use.

Good Luck Churtle!

'Tanner'

[Master Yota]

Another company to look into is http://www.stazworks.com/ . They specialize in custom offroad wheels, Dot rated wheels, and just about anything else you could imagine. They will also take surplus Hummer wheels, and will recenter the wheel, customize the bolt pattern, and have inserts to retain the double beadlock feature while getting rid of the annoying runflat device. I've ordered some of the inserts for my H1 wheels, and they are a top notch business when it comes to quality, and they always answered the phone, or an email.