My history must be incorrect...

[HingsingM37]

Heres another eBay gem. I forgot we were still fighting WWII in 1951:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %26otn%3D2

[Lifer]

Whomever posted the ad is the one who flunked American History in high school. The article clearly states that the M37 can "move cargo more rapidly and safely than the WWII cargo carriers." That should at least have given him a clue that WWII had ended before it was built, don't ya think?

[T. Highway]

Maybe this person went to a public school and can't read very well?

[Carter]

Maybe they don't know history for the same reason as my sister-in-law who ask me once: "Why study history? It's always changing."

[Nickathome]

Maybe this person went to a public school and can't read very well?

I've met many a person who went to private schools, who couldn't find their ass with both hands, and whom wouldn't know who, what, or where WWII was fought. Don't lay blame for the moron in the Ebay ad on the public school system.

I know you weren't aiming this at any one person, but I don't like it when people piss on the public school system. I went to public school, and so do my kids. I turned out OK, and so will they. Its all in the individual. There are just as many idiots if not more, who went to private and Catholic school, and their parents paid to send them there.......

[Tom @ Snake River]

I went to Lutheran high school for one semester and flunked out, All I learned was how to cuss in German and drink cheap wine.
I was the only kid without a German name.

[Carter]

I went to Lutheran high school for one semester and flunked out, All I learned was how to cuss in German and drink cheap wine.
I was the only kid without a German name.

[T. Highway]

Nickathome,
I was not pissing on the Public School system. I also attended public school and turned out fine.
I simply stated what you see in the media about how our schools have failed and we need to do something about it. IT WAS A JOKE!

I personally believe that our schools are not failing. The sad part of this whole thing is that some parents are failing to get these youngsters to school on a regular basis were they have a fighting chance to learn something valuable that they can use for the rest of their lives. Then they blame the system for their own failures. The learning starts at home when you take an interest in what your kids are doing.

[Nickathome]

Nickathome,
I was not pissing on the Public School system. I also attended public school and turned out fine.
I simply stated what you see in the media about how our schools have failed and we need to do something about it. IT WAS A JOKE!

I personally believe that our schools are not failing. The sad part of this whole thing is that some parents are failing to get these youngsters to school on a regular basis were they have a fighting chance to learn something valuable that they can use for the rest of their lives. Then they blame the system for their own failures. The learning starts at home when you take an interest in what your kids are doing.

I agree with you 100%. Yur post gave me impression that you were one ofthese people who blame the school system on the failings of their kids and themselves for not taking the time to make sure Johnny is learning his 3R's and I don't mean Reading Writing and Reefer........ Glad you cleared things up....

[Master Yota]

A diatribe of the public educational system both north and south of the border could very well consume several hundred pages on the forum. The pro's and cons, faults and solutions could easily drive any number of us up the wall.

[Lifer]

As a (former) teacher, I can assure y'all that the school system is not at fault. From what I have witnessed, the problem is twofold: parental apathy and governmental interference. From a teacher's standpoint, "no child left behind" is the worst thing that ever happened, just marginally worse than social promotion. Some kids can be trained but not taught. These kids should be allowed to flunk and have to repeat a grade when necessary. Once they have reached their maximum potential, they should be provided with training in some sort of meaningful work, not just dumped out on the streets with nothing but an attitude.

[HingsingM37]

So last night I am listening to one of our local AM stations. They ran a spot for "US WINGS" a local avaition jacket company here in NE Ohio ran by a fine fellow named "Sgt" David Hack, a Vietnam Vet. The radio spot said this:

"Now you can wear an authentic leather bomber jacket like the B-17 and B-52 crews wore over Europe"

Now call me crazy, if we would have had the fine B-52 in 1943, I feel the war would have ended much sooner. If my history serves me correct the first B-52 prototype flew around 56-57?
I am sure Us Wings did not write the spot. Somehow this ad got through an entire radio staions production department and aired without the historical mistake being caught. Whats next, F-16's vs. ME-109's over Pearl Harbor?

Guys, very valid points on the schools. Lets not forget alot of parents who seem to think they are only responsible for their children until they are tired of it, not until they are 18. In my Martial Arts school I see a big difference in ability and attention span between the kids from caring parents and those whose idea of good parenting is the latest video game. The broken American family and society are to blame as well.
As Charlie Daniels said in one song:" Well I reckon whats wrong with the world today, people done put their Bibles away, they're living by the law of the jungle not the law of the land...."

[Lifer]

Well....actually, the B-52s did fly over Europe. Just not during WWII. They flew over my head any number of times when I was stationed in France, Germany, and England. 'Course, that was in the '60s, '70s, and '80s.

[Master Yota]

As a (former) teacher, I can assure y'all that the school system is not at fault. From what I have witnessed, the problem is twofold: parental apathy and governmental interference. From a teacher's standpoint, "no child left behind" is the worst thing that ever happened, just marginally worse than social promotion. Some kids can be trained but not taught. These kids should be allowed to flunk and have to repeat a grade when necessary. Once they have reached their maximum potential, they should be provided with training in some sort of meaningful work, not just dumped out on the streets with nothing but an attitude.

Spot on with that asessment. Plus I would imagine that its difficult to get into any depth in the curriculum with class sizes approaching 35 students in some cases. The capable students are held back as the weaker students monopolize a teachers one on one time.

Distractions in class are also more prevalent and problematic in todays schools vs. the days of old. Teachers are forced to tolerate disruptive students as they no longer have the ability to enforce meaningful discipline resulting is a lack of classroom control. This does nothing to enhance or promote an environment designed for learning.

[Lifer]

Those problems are readily apparent in any school. The class size is a direct result of "no child left behind" and the "need" for each child to advance along with everyone else, whether he's ready to or not.

The discipline problem can be attributed to governmental restrictions on the severity of the punishment allowable for various offenses and corporal punishment is "outlawed" in many school systems by one authority or another these days.

If we could still spank the unruly kids who are capable of learning and flunk the ones who aren't, we would turn out fewer high school graduates but those who graduate would be better educated and their diplomas would actually mean something again.