PENION SEAL

[cuz]

Well we still agree on the seals use and longevity but you seem to imply that we didn't understand your first post. I certainly did and I only disagreed with one point

rubber seals of today don't do that

and that is they will do that when they are left to run dirty. My post made that assertion only and in no way contradicted any of the remains of your post.That said thanks for re-itterating all you said in the first post. Certainly will help to drive the point home for the slower learners!

[MSeriesRebuild]

Point #1 is this; NO seal will last if it is ground into the dirt and mud, common sense analysis. Anyone who subjects their's to that sort of treatment will figure that out sooner rather than later, and honestly I think most everyone on this forum is way smarter than that. There is always a diehard or 2 that will argue with a sign post and has to learn the hard way, so be it, sometimes education is expensive has been my experience.

Point #2, and the point we disagreed on is this. Leather prematurely damages a yoke or redi-sleeve because of excessive groove wear. If a seal with the felt dust shield is used, it's even worse because of the extreme rust pitting that will follow. The statement that if kept clean an NOS seal will run high mileage without issue like a rubber seal will is a myth. Very high likelyhood that leather / felt combo will drip oil from day one, getting progressively worse until a replacement is forced. Also high likelyhood that when it is disassembled, one will find the yoke severely grooved and rust pitted. Will the yoke be repairable? Maybe or maybe not. When a current production quality rubber seal is used in a well maintained component, high likelyhood replacement may never be required, and if it is, most likely the yoke will show no damage and will be reuseable without issue.

Which way does the owner get the best service for the least cost? Not to mention the fact of time and aggrevation of doing the job more than once.

[cuz]

Can't understand why such a busy person is belaboring these points repetitively. I told you I do not disagree with your positions. I said I found one statement inaccurate and that was

rubber seals of today don't do that

and I posted what I have seen happen to modern rubber seals when exposed to abrasives in dirt, sand, silt and mud. A long weekend in the Red River south of Shreveport will put enough silt and river sand in those new rubber lips to turn them into very sharp edged saws.

I have not disagreed with anything else in your very long postings yet here you are back again repeating your Points 1 & 2 all over again. If you have a new love for writing long topics please don't lead the group to think I caused your writing efforts.

[MSeriesRebuild]

Can't understand why such a busy person is belaboring these points repetitively. I told you I do not disagree with your positions. I said I found one statement inaccurate and that was

rubber seals of today don't do that

and I posted what I have seen happen to modern rubber seals when exposed to abrasives in dirt, sand, silt and mud. A long weekend in the Red River south of Shreveport will put enough silt and river sand in those new rubber lips to turn them into very sharp edged saws.

I have not disagreed with anything else in your very long postings yet here you are back again repeating your Points 1 & 2 all over again. If you have a new love for writing long topics please don't lead the group to think I caused your writing efforts.

OK Cuz, any seal can be destoyed in the mud! I already agreed with that point in a previous post. I'll go ahead and say it; you are exactly the reason for the extended explanations, you know it; as does everyone else that is paying attention. Enough said on that. I still have the last round from a few months back available here in the computer, where you goofed and hit the wrong button and sent your flaming private message to me instead of the one you intended to send it too in an effort to bad mouth me. Like in the case of Congressman Anthony Weiner; we all know what happens when the one responsible for sending dirt hits the wrong button; have you forgotten this already? If I need to pull it back out as proof, that isn't a problem, we can make it happen, we can even make it happen for all to read if you continue with this foolishness. Do you recall that after I caught you and confronted you about it, you sent an apology, my reply was apology accepted, and that time would tell whether or not your apology was genuine. I let it go right then and there. You are now making me wonder about that apology as the same type junk from you seems to have started up again, now 2 different instances within a couple of weeks. Like I said before, my prime choice is to over look it; that is still my choice, I have tried once again to do that, but it's becoming rather obvious you intend to push and see if you can make it escalate into something more like in the past.

My reply to that is no you can't, I made up my mind last time that I wouldn't go down to your level again on this or any other forum. That is still where I stand; in light of that I'm done with this, and I hope you are also intelligent enough to put a stop to it right here and now.

[cuz]

Now who and what are you disagreeing with/about ?

For the last time I do not disagree with you. Please use your time to better uses.

The snide quips are also unnecessary.

[MSeriesRebuild]

Now who and what are you disagreeing with/about ?

For the last time I do not disagree with you. Please use your time to better uses.

The snide quips are also unnecessary.

I agree all this foolishness is totally unecessary.

[Cal_Gary]

Cease fire at last, Boys, we're proud of you!

We gain a great deal of knowledge from, and have a great deal of respect for both of you Cuz and Charles, and recognize there is more than one "best way to..." or "best part to use..." without going 15 rounds and dredging up old crap. You two go at it like North and South Korea sometimes. All are entitled to their opinions-it is up to each of us to determine what to take away from these lively topics and it is much easier to do so without wearing hip waders thru the clutter.

Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all Forum members!
Gary

[T. Highway]

This is the tool I used to remove the old seals on the transfer case while it was still in the truck, They came out pretty easy.

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Sal,

This is the same tool that I use on heavy equipment and truck seals on a regular basis. It will work on most pressed in seals.

Charles,

I haven't seen these on the Snap-On trucks for years. I just glanced in the Snap-On catalog and Snap-Ons "RWD Tools" catalog, I didn't see one like this offered any more.

I looked at my puller and it is too well worn to make out a manufactures name.

Bert