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I've searched the old posts but didn't find any information concerning the following question. Does the Rust-Oleum deep forest green come close in color shade to 23070? I would buy Gillespe but with all the shipping cost associated I'd be better off buying something from a local paint supplier. If the Rust-Oleum is close than buy a few gallon cans.

I don't think the Rustoleum color shade would really satisfy you if originality is what you have in your sights.

We do not typically use Rustoleum on any vehicles; however we have used a lot of it around our facility, especially over the past 6 or so months during making facility improvements. I have been well pleased with the outcome to date. We have used it on masonry, wood, and metal, all with a good outcome. Applies easily, good coverage, and holds up very well. The fact that it is oil based makes it work great on used oil and coolant tanks, and just in general around a facility such as ours.

MSeriesRebuild wrote:I don't think the Rustoleum color shade would really satisfy you if originality is what you have in your sights.

We do not typically use Rustoleum on any vehicles; however we have used a lot of it around our facility, especially over the past 6 or so months during making facility improvements. I have been well pleased with the outcome to date. We have used it on masonry, wood, and metal, all with a good outcome. Applies easily, good coverage, and holds up very well. The fact that it is oil based makes it work great on used oil and coolant tanks, and just in general around a facility such as ours.

Charles, I'm trying to go with the original color and the Rustoleum looks close to me but if you don't think it is, I'll have to come up with plan B. I was going to buy a spray can of Gillespe in 23070, paint a piece than take it in and see if a paint house could get it matched but shipping is twice the amount of the can itself. I'm going to dig through my parts and hopefully I still have something that was not sandblasted yet that still has color on it.

m-11 wrote:

MSeriesRebuild wrote:I don't think the Rustoleum color shade would really satisfy you if originality is what you have in your sights.

We do not typically use Rustoleum on any vehicles; however we have used a lot of it around our facility, especially over the past 6 or so months during making facility improvements. I have been well pleased with the outcome to date. We have used it on masonry, wood, and metal, all with a good outcome. Applies easily, good coverage, and holds up very well. The fact that it is oil based makes it work great on used oil and coolant tanks, and just in general around a facility such as ours.

Charles, I'm trying to go with the original color and the Rustoleum looks close to me but if you don't think it is, I'll have to come up with plan B. I was going to buy a spray can of Gillespe in 23070, paint a piece than take it in and see if a paint house could get it matched but shipping is twice the amount of the can itself. I'm going to dig through my parts and hopefully I still have something that was not sandblasted yet that still has color on it.

It depends on how hard you are to please and how close you want it I guess. Certainly you don't need to please me. Most of our customers wouldn't like it; but you may be happy with it.

Hi M-11,

I painted my M with Rustoleum Deep Forest Green over this past summer. You can see the before and after pics in the photo gallery under Biob Brucato. Don't ask how I screwed up spelling Bob as Biob....I have no idea and can't fix it.

The answer to your question is NO....Deep Forest Green doesn't look like any military paint color. That being said....as long as there isn't a properly painted military vehicle next to it......most non-MV people wouldn't know. But here's the thing.......I painted my truck as cheaply as possible and did so just to keep the surface rust at bay until I can properly paint the truck. I've used Rustoleum spray paint since I was a little kid painting mailboxes.....it's gotten much better over that time and is pretty darn good stuff now. I painted my big industrial wood chipper with Internation Harvester Red gloss Rustoleum and it looks great despite being outside for the last 5 years. But it's not a professional top coat for a restoration. The Deep Forrest Green is a flat paint (meaning truly flat, not semi anything) and doesn't have a hardener in it, and as such is not very durable. Rustoleum's gloss enamels are 10x more durable than their flat paints. But on the plus side........you can paint your whole truck for $40, it covers well, and is very easy to touch up.

So I guess it depends on what you want for a final product. If you just want to throw some color on the truck to make it look halfway presentable.....or you're fiscally challenged right now.....it will fill the bill. But if you want a professional result and are going to take the long and tedious time and effort to prep the truck properly for paint.....you'll want to use something better. I would think if you're going to prime with a nice tough (read that expensive) epoxy primer you're not going to want to skimp on the top coat. As for the shipping cost......are there any MV rallys or swap meets near you locale? The paint vendors usually show up to those and you can buy the paint there and avoid the shipping costs. Of if you're not close to one you can have one of your buddies on the forum buy it at a show near them and ship it to you via parcel post. Ok....if the FBI is monitoring this forum please note that I am not suggesting someone falsely label HAZMATs and ship them ground (never air) for 1/10 the normal price. Because I'd NEVER do such a thing. We're just talkin' here, that's all.

regards,
bob

Charles, I respect your knowledge since you have most likely jumped through these same hurdles in the past. I guess a better question is, do you know a paint code for PPG or Dupont that would get me close to the original 23070 color? BTW I guess I should have said automotive paint house in the previous post. I'm not going to use house paint.

Bob, Thanks for you input on the results of the Rustoleum. The only financial problem I have is being cheap when it comes to shipping . Unfortunately there are no MV shows where I'm located. Hell I'm one of a few in the state that own any MV's and I own enough of these vehicles that I could have my own rally.

See if Rapco or AJP will send you a color sample. They paint small pieces of metal with the paint. Maybe they will send you a sample and then you could have it color matched for the local gallon of paint. BTW for what it's worth....by the time you add in hardner, and flatening agent, and reducer to the over the counter automotive paint the cost of the gallon from Rapco or AJP with the hazmat charge works out to about the same as picking it up local and buying all the add-on parts. Do a price comparison I think you'll find it's real close in price. Plus the hazmat fee is the same if you buy 1 or 4 gallons. Just what I've experienced over the years.

k8icu wrote:See if Rapco or AJP will send you a color sample. They paint small pieces of metal with the paint. Maybe they will send you a sample and then you could have it color matched for the local gallon of paint. BTW for what it's worth....by the time you add in hardner, and flatening agent, and reducer to the over the counter automotive paint the cost of the gallon from Rapco or AJP with the hazmat charge works out to about the same as picking it up local and buying all the add-on parts. Do a price comparison I think you'll find it's real close in price. Plus the hazmat fee is the same if you buy 1 or 4 gallons. Just what I've experienced over the years.

Now that sounds like a good idea. I'll see if I can get them to send me samples of the other colors too.

Tim,

If you aren't in a hurry, the MVPA convention is coming near you (relatively speaking) to Portland in July. Yeah, that's a long time out but might be an option if you planned on attending the convention anyway. The big paint guys always are there. The conventions are a good opportunity to stock up for 2-3 projects out due to the availability of stuff. I always try to have a list of what I'm looking for, knowing what a good price is, and a truck to haul it all back home. The hard part is waiting for the show.

I've read somewhere before that the big paint store chains, like PPG and others, have the Fed Stds programmed in their database and can produce it as easily as any other color. I've never stopped in my local store and asked but that might be something to check out also. If I didn't read it somewhere here on the G741, it may have been on SS that someone was asking about it.

k8icu, I took your advice and e-mailed Rapco and they responded by saying they don't have paint samples but they can sell me the paint to make my own paint samples.

mike_I, everything I've read was that the color I want is only available through Gillespie and no one has that mil-spec. I find this hard to believe so I'm going to see if I can find an original piece from the truck that hasn't been blasted yet. If all else fails, I plan on making the MVPA rally this year and will at least buy a spray can of the color I need. As k8icu suggested, I need to price compare between automotive and Gillespie.

I've painted lots of MV's over the years (since 1970), trying all the usual suspects. This paint, that mix. Big trucks, little Jeeps, at least a dozen M37's.

Rustoleum was one of the worst I ever shot. Ugh!.

Ditzler, RM, Sherwin-Williams, all cost a LOT more than necessary and had NO advantage over the winner.

Aervoe never does hold up, and the colors just don't jive.

Bottom line, Gillespie is the only thing to use.

Pay for the loss of headaches.

Dennis

If using the military enamel, Gallespie is the product to use. Certainly there are better products in the higher end lines. Yes it is a better way to go, but you will pay and pay big for the better higher end products. Depends on what you want the end product to be.

It was a shot. I know he has paint samples that he takes to the shows and stuff thought he might have a piece to send out. (shrug). I picked my paint up at the MVPA con since I was going there and it saved the shipping cost.