Re: To modify or not?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:07 pm
Where is the "pinching bridge of nose" emoticon?
Rwkehler, I appologize if my response has come off in your post as being rude, that wasn't the intent, so again, no hard feelings at whatever engine you should happen to choose. Anything will improve the driving experience, which is what the intent of an engine swap should be.
Now offtopic here, and the last I will speak of it here in this thread. Charles, I would welcome a challenge from you, if you were actually capable of doing so. I've read many of your posts on this subject, and they are filled with nothing but lip service and fluff. If you actually had something to say or imply, you'd have done so by now. Your inablity to even read a post, and actually understand what is being said, is the limiting factor here. I took issue with your useage of the word "only", as in the cummins is the ONLY engine worth considering when doing an engine swap (I'm paraphrasing here). To imply that there are no other choices is at the very least foolish, and paints a broad picture of an induvidual with a closed mind and a narrow focus. I've given up hope that you might concede that I have at least, a valid point in the discussion. I have discovered that you cannot see the forest for the tree's, and in that blindness, you have my sympathy.
I don't go out of my way to bash Cummins and I do have the intellect to realize that they produce a good product. What sets me apart from Charles however is that I have an open enough mind to consider that there are OTHER options out there in regards to engine swaps that will produce similar or even better results when it comes to the driving experience, and the cost to acheive that change. Afterall, an improvement in the drivers experience is the whole point of an engine swap in the first place. If the desire to acheive 70 mph in the slow lane with out the power to pass after that point is all thats wanted then by all means, install the cummins and gain the performance of a Frito's chip truck. I have no issue with that - so long as the end user is happy thats great. My own need for performance would not, and could not, however, be filled by a Cummin's engine, at least not the 4cyl variant that is the common dream of most M series engine swappers. The 6cyl cummins would fare better, but the financial cost vs. gain just isn't there in my eyes to warrant the swap. I chose gas powered engines (mostly V8's) as its a better financial return, that satisfy's my need for performance; and should I ever pass Charles on the freeway, I'll honk and wave. I might even smile, but it won't be for Chucks benefit, but my own humour as he watches my tailgate drive away... But that is my opinion, and mine alone.
Best of luck with the jeep 4.0L engine swap - Its a good reliable engine, that has a great aftermarket following, and I think you'll be very happy with cost vs. performance gain. Please post pictures, we'd all like to see how it comes together.
Rwkehler, I appologize if my response has come off in your post as being rude, that wasn't the intent, so again, no hard feelings at whatever engine you should happen to choose. Anything will improve the driving experience, which is what the intent of an engine swap should be.
Now offtopic here, and the last I will speak of it here in this thread. Charles, I would welcome a challenge from you, if you were actually capable of doing so. I've read many of your posts on this subject, and they are filled with nothing but lip service and fluff. If you actually had something to say or imply, you'd have done so by now. Your inablity to even read a post, and actually understand what is being said, is the limiting factor here. I took issue with your useage of the word "only", as in the cummins is the ONLY engine worth considering when doing an engine swap (I'm paraphrasing here). To imply that there are no other choices is at the very least foolish, and paints a broad picture of an induvidual with a closed mind and a narrow focus. I've given up hope that you might concede that I have at least, a valid point in the discussion. I have discovered that you cannot see the forest for the tree's, and in that blindness, you have my sympathy.
I don't go out of my way to bash Cummins and I do have the intellect to realize that they produce a good product. What sets me apart from Charles however is that I have an open enough mind to consider that there are OTHER options out there in regards to engine swaps that will produce similar or even better results when it comes to the driving experience, and the cost to acheive that change. Afterall, an improvement in the drivers experience is the whole point of an engine swap in the first place. If the desire to acheive 70 mph in the slow lane with out the power to pass after that point is all thats wanted then by all means, install the cummins and gain the performance of a Frito's chip truck. I have no issue with that - so long as the end user is happy thats great. My own need for performance would not, and could not, however, be filled by a Cummin's engine, at least not the 4cyl variant that is the common dream of most M series engine swappers. The 6cyl cummins would fare better, but the financial cost vs. gain just isn't there in my eyes to warrant the swap. I chose gas powered engines (mostly V8's) as its a better financial return, that satisfy's my need for performance; and should I ever pass Charles on the freeway, I'll honk and wave. I might even smile, but it won't be for Chucks benefit, but my own humour as he watches my tailgate drive away... But that is my opinion, and mine alone.
Best of luck with the jeep 4.0L engine swap - Its a good reliable engine, that has a great aftermarket following, and I think you'll be very happy with cost vs. performance gain. Please post pictures, we'd all like to see how it comes together.
