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I've had/got them in my M, and have broken (twisted off) one already. I looked like the one I broke wasn't properly heat treated.
Looked like it twisted about 5 rev's. I only have the Foots axle on the one side now.




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Im confused

W_A_Watson_II wrote:I've got them in my M

are you saying you purchased and broke a set of axles from this lot from the seller wwilz801(Wolf)? or are you referring to axles that Daniel Tibus had made?

I only ask because i am installing lockers and new axles would be nice. granted i have and always will carry spares.

My Fote's were bought from Charles at MSeries back in 09. Don't know the lot number(s), but they are made in batches.

RMS wrote:Im confused

W_A_Watson_II wrote:I've got them in my M

are you saying you purchased and broke a set of axles from this lot from the seller wwilz801(Wolf)? or are you referring to axles that Daniel Tibus had made?

I only ask because i am installing lockers and new axles would be nice. granted i have and always will carry spares.

I was wondering the same thing. Thanks for clarifying, Will.

I don't understand how this seller can assert that no one should try to "backdoor" him with Foote? They'll make M37 axles for anyone who can pay the bill.

Elwood wrote:I don't understand how this seller can assert that no one should try to "backdoor" him with Foote? They'll make M37 axles for anyone who can pay the bill.

The attitude presented by the seller makes it appear that he needs a foot in his backdoor... I don't deal with sellers that have jackhole attitudes.

Tanner wrote:

Elwood wrote:I don't understand how this seller can assert that no one should try to "backdoor" him with Foote? They'll make M37 axles for anyone who can pay the bill.

The attitude presented by the seller makes it appear that he needs a foot in his backdoor... I don't deal with sellers that have jackhole attitudes.

Hard to disagree with this. Although I'd like to get some stronger axles, I'm leery of this one. No warranty, questionable claim about having some sort of exclusive "agreement" with the manufacturer (Foote?). I'd want to see some documentation directly from Foote that these axles are what the seller claims them to be: 4140 alloy made to the specs for the M37 rear axle.

I think I will ask this fellow on Ebay for a copy of the CERTS from Foote, if he is legit he should be able to produce them? I'll keep you all posted as to the response

That's why I put a Dana 60 in the rear...

$500?

We had a verbal agreement with a guy that was having some made from 4140 to try them out, and if they met our approval, we would be an interested buyer. More time has already past than the 90 day lead time he offered with no word of any new axle shafts. I don't know if the lead time has been increased or whether some other issue has kept him from making the offering, since I've heard no more from him. $500 a pair is significantly more than he said wholesale would be on his. I know that small quantity custom runs of anything does nothing to getting the price down toward reasonable. Who knows, maybe the guy I talked with doesn't have his yet, or maybe what we are seeing on ebay could be the result of a much more costly venture than he expected. Many times that turns out to be the case. Some custom manufacturer's will tell you anything to get you hooked; while somehow they forget to tell you that there is a minimum purchase of 10,000 units to get it at "that" lower price.

I did get a response from the fellow on EBay in regards to my request for material certifications. He did not have any but gave me a phone number to a fellow at Foote to call would would verify the products quality. He said he has asked Foote for written certs but has not gotten any.
Most manufacturers I deal with have these on hand along with the ASTM test results.
I guess we will see if he sells any and what the feedback is on eBay...

So many times I've heard stories similar to this about liability issues, etc. I just don't go for any of this stuff in this fashion unless I'm either satisfied with approval or the price is so that I figure I can afford to take the risk and prove it to myself.

I will say this in this guys favor, most often when people admit they do not have certification, and say they are making an effort, the track record has been pretty good. Someone that has a scam in mind from the get go usually has no conscience and will have a story cooked up to help them unload the items, then drop out of sight. The price is in line with a custom run in such a small quantity, however if his intention was just to sell axle shafts, a small run and high prices do not make that an easy sell. That is precisely why you don't see more decent repro stuff available. It has to be done in large quantity to get most manufacturer's attention, or when you do find 1 that will do a small run, the cost is off the charts. We'll see.

Did anyone ever find out more about these axles/seller?

06boblee wrote:Did anyone ever find out more about these axles/seller?

He re-listed them several times on eBay, but his user profile does not show any feedback from sellers for these axles, and I don't recall that any of the listings ever ended with a sale.

I corresponded with him several times, and he was always prompt and pleasant in replying. He stated that he had installed a set in his M37 (with a Chrysler 383) and that they fit fine. As others here have experienced, I was never able to obtain any documentation as to the manufacture or metallurgy of these pieces, either from the seller or from Foote, and so have not purchased a set. $500 plus shipping is a bit too much for me to take a flyer on something like this without having some assurance as to the quality. While I'd still prefer to have stronger axle shafts, the lack of documentation makes me inclined to acquire a few NOS shafts for the same amount of money.

This deal smells like many from the past. I have no idea concerning quality of the product; or the reputation of the seller. Not here to say anything bad about him or the stuff he offers for sale. What I do know is this; ebay is the chief marketplace to unload crap, period.

If these axle shafts meet the claim, there should be some sort of documentation to substantiate the quality of the product. Apparently such documentation can't be produced, or it would have been. If it were there his axles would easily sell at his asking price, no problem. In light of the situation that is there for all to see, I like most others don't have the confidence to spend money. The avenues of getting burned are more plentiful today than ever before in the history of mankind. Bottom line is this, it's your money, you make the call.

Several have asked me about the shafts I spoke of a few months back that were supposed to be of superior quality and in our hands. Well the guy who was doing the deal has disappeared as far as I know. The axles never showed up, and we have heard nothing. I wonder if this isn't the same guy who has offered these and has found out they were not what he had expected and is trying to recoup his investment from ebay sales. The time frame would have fallen into place about right. I'm just wondering, but have no evidence that this is really the case, so I'm accusing nobody of anything. The thing that really does make me wonder is the fact that he was only going to have to order a very small quantity to get the manufacturer to produce these. I thought from the get go that didn't really sound doable. Manufacturer's don't get excited about making 12 pieces. They show interest in a 10,000 piece order. Of course that quantity would far exceed what this market would call for within our lifetime; that's why you don't see the market flooded with the new replacement M37 parts we all need.